Youtube is like that bully that asks for your lunch money and when you say no, they slam you into a locker.
When you say no again, they start hitting you until you finally give that lunch money.
Once you do, they will show you the others are being abused harder when they demand more money from you.
I would love to contribute to the end of youtube.
To me, the value of youtube and it’s music is far below the €18 it costs to get me and my wife ad free. My internet costs roughly that and offers a lot of possibilites, so why should i pay double for a service that supplies about 1 millionth of what the internet itself has to offer, especially considering my wage has barely changed while i watch my rent and groceries triple in cost.
Y’all need to realize there is an end to my money, you can’t keep taking.
I’m laughing at
theirYouTube’s response. Obviously someone used a thesaurus to write it and didn’t know that “incalcitrant” is not even the word, no major dictionaries list it. It’s like using irregardless instead of regardless The wordtheyYouTube wanted is recalcitrant.And it’s very telling that
theyYouTube used that word because it shows they think they are King.Recalicitrant:
Stubbornly resistant to authority or control.
Unwilling to obey orders or to do what should be done.
Resisting authority or control; not obedient or compliant.
Edit: I’m laughing at YouTube’s response. I thought that was clear by context… I guess people who didn’t read the article didn’t get that? Maybe it was paywalled to them?
Words matter, and by using the one they did, YouTube is basically saying that they demand people obey them.
STFU
I’m laughing at YouTube’s response. I thought that was clear by context… I guess people who didn’t read the article didn’t get that? Maybe it was paywalled to them?
Or why are you telling me to STFU?
They’re an idiot. You taught me a new word! Keep it up.
Thanks :)
Is Elongpork on the board of directors or something?
Length of post + laughing at vocabulary =/= laughing at article
Plus incalcitrant has plenty of current usage.
Look, I don’t disagree with you. YouTube has many flaws and they’ve rapidly enshittified to increase monetization. But YouTube is a far more complex* operation than your ISP. It took a decade to start making a profit on YouTube.
The amount of hardware behind it is insane. The amount of work behind it is insane. A lot of that work is performed by really expensive software engineers in the US and Europe.
It was never sustainable from the get-go. Not with a single pre-watch ad and no premium tier, anyway. They HAD to add more ads and a premium ad-free tier. Where I disagree with them is the amount of ads and the cost of the premium tier.
*The big cloud providers (including Google) have grown so big, they don’t use ISPs in the traditional sense to connect their data centers. They run their own subsea cables between continents to improve connectivity. Whether or not you like the companies, they put a LOT of work into keeping you on their platforms. Of course this is for Google Cloud customers, but YouTube basically IS a Google Cloud customer. Just an in-house one.
Youtube is like that bully
Except no one is forcing you to face that bully.
You can simply stay away.Yeah, I don’t have much sympathy for this dork. You don’t need to watch YouTube.
It’s either this or cable, cable sucks.
So i’d rather adblock the hell out of them.
Then you’re choosing to use their service without paying, and don’t get to complain.
But you’re wrong though, because i do get to complain.
Most people are lazy and not willing to make their life less comfortable. If they were, a lot of problems in big tech would not even exist. That’s why people still buy apple, use WhatsApp and microsoft instead of the free alternatives - because its less comfortable.
They want change, but are unwilling to be a factor in causing that change.
uBlock Origin works wonders. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad since I installed it.
We’ve launched a global effort to urge viewers with ad blockers enabled to allow ads on YouTube or try YouTube Premium for an ad free experience.
By drastically increasing the rates every 6 months. Raising it past the prices of actual production streaming services. And paying the people making the content less and less money, until they have to put their own ads and their own content.
There’s a chance ad blockers are eating up the ‘Skip’ button while also failing to block the ad.
A CHANCE?
Only trash adblockers like Adblock Plus and Adguard have that “chance”. uBlock Origin the goat fr frf
I don’t think Adguard is trash. It’s just not as good as UBO.
just make it a subscription service already and see how many people remain…
They have and most users are still around because the alternatives are far too light on content. The creators drive the show, not the users.
They did. The subscription service still shows ads.
This is not true.
Do you mean the promoted content done by the youtubers themselves? Because there are no YouTube ads when you use Premum.
And Premium recently came out with a feature that makes it really easy to skip the promotional content.
no, subscription only as in you can only watch if subscribed
Subscribed what 🤔
You do know you can subscribe already, right?
what I mean is a model where a subscription is required to watch anything. Even that is more graceful than the hacky 1 hour long youtube video solution to their problems.
Youtube when I use Ublock Origin on my Thinkpad and ReVanced on my Pixel:
Any reason for thinkpad and pixel?
Probably to let us know mobile and PC variants.
He’s rightfully displaying his dominance
I am wondering the same, mentioning the specific hardware makes very little sense, when it could just be mentioned as Linux/Windows/PC and Android/GrapheneOS/etc.
It would arguably be more informative too for people looking for alternatives for their device platforms.
Grayjay is my new hotness
Using Youtube without Revanced or uBlock is like using a phone without a case.
Eh, using a phone w/o a case is reasonable. I’d liken it more to watching live TV. Why do that in the era of streaming services when you can (well, could) avoid ads and watch exactly what you want instead of whatever slop the network decides you should watch?
No problem with ads with https://smarttubeapp.github.io/ Or youtube revanced :)
Sharing another app suggestion(s) for Android: Tubular [0] or the more up-to-date LastPipeBender [1].
Both apps differ from NewPipe and its variants by integrating with PeerTube along with YouTube, apart from providing features like SponsorBlock and ReturnYouTubeDislike.
I have started using PeerTube much more often as my subscriptions from YouTube and PeerTube are now shown together, which makes for a seamless and superior experience altogether.
[0] https://github.com/polymorphicshade/Tubular [1] https://github.com/MaintainTeam/LastPipeBender
I came across a few days ago with Pipepipe, which is a Newpipe Hard fork with sponsorblock. It seems that it is better maintained than Newpipe ( Newpipe stops working sometimes ), and has more features. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/InfinityLoop1309.NewPipeEnhanced/
How about this, do a profit sharing agreement with channels. If a channel makes money from YouTube, YouTube gets a cut, and let the channel decide whether to run ads, use sponsor segments, post affiliate links, etc. If they choose to not monetize at all, they pay a monthly fee for hosting.
I dropped all my subs and only have youtube premium. I hate ads and I watch a lot of tubes. I don’t feel bad about it since they share revenue with creators.
Damn, lemmy is over here upset that you pay for something you like and use frequently.
YouTube creators have said many times they get a lot more from a premium view compared to a regular one.
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If you watch a lot of educational content, nebula shares half of its revenue with creators. Even if they get bought out, half of the proceeds will go to creators.
I felt bad about it so I stopped using YouTube directly/with ads because of being part of Google and too closely tied to politics/current admin. Same with Amazon, Apple, Meta, and X. My wallet is the last voice I have at this point.
Same. I feel my family gets more than enough value out of Premium between their video, music, and other services to make the subscription worthwhile.
Same here, though I’m slowing down on watching. My son and I love YouTube music as well, we share tunes regularly and I like the recommendation feed. I use Linux and wish there was a more libre solution, but it seems lemmy doesn’t like paying for anything whatsoever.
While the company stops short of directly saying as much, it sure feels like the preposterously long ads we’re seeing here are an example of one tool in Google’s arsenal for effectively disabling YouTube playback for violators of the site’s ToS.
That makes no sense at all. It isn’t like skipping ads results in a black screen for the length of the ad.
People with adblockers aren’t going to see hour long ads or black screens when they don’t see ads in the first place.
It’s hilarious that they think it would matter to anyone with an ad blocker. I haven’t seen an ad for years on youtube. Hell I haven’t even seen promotions in videos for a few months now that I found a sponsor segment blocker.
Both are available on pc and mobile. Love it.
What do you use?
On PC Firefox with the Sponsorblock extension
On Mobile (Android) NewPipe with the Sponsorblock Fork.
Awesome, thanks!
For Android tv there’s also Smart tube next
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All that does is make YouTube money while costing money to the advertisers.
How long do you think those advertisers will stay when it turns out they’ve paid $1M in advertising with no change in sales?
I hear what you are saying but the truth is that they will stay, just so they aren’t missing, regardless of ROI. Case in point is Xitter. The numbers clearly state that the level of engagement and sales conversion from Xitter ads is pitiful, especially when compared to Bluesky, yet advertisers still hang in there…just in case.
That’s because at a certain point ads become less about direct sales, and more about brand recognition. This is why Coke has a massive advertising budget. You know what Coke is. You’re either going to buy a Coke or you’re not. But by advertising as heavily as they do, they’re reminding you that they exist.
That’s why their heaviest advertising season is Christmas. Some of the advertisements don’t even show their product. Some do, but some just show Santa flying his sleigh with cheery christmas music. Then their Coke logo gets spelled out in the stars as he passes by.
It’s just so you assosiate their brand with good emotions. But it requires an almost constant barrage of ads, and it’s direct sales are impossible to measure.
The advertising team will just blame it on something else. They have the numbers showing their ads are being watched, everything else is conjecture.
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I think Google doesn’t care about that at all.
They most likely pay peanuts compared to you for “bandwidth” (which for them is more of an electricity cost and trough-output allocation than a specific numeric value like consumers and smaller companies have). You also cache the video on your own device making the multiple tab thing useless if you don’t know what you’re doing. And Google can also just block you when they attack their servers, move traffic around, and so much more advanced stuff that protects their infrastructure.
tl;dr: Trying to boycott Google by trying to waste their resources is useless.
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200gig was surpassed what, 8 years ago? They have super active load balancing based on your region. You could purchase a Fiber gigabit line and only watch videos 24/7/365 and nobody at YouTube would ever notice.
As I said it’s 100 times more advanced than that.
They can switch IPs, datacenters, regions, whatever they want. They even have access to BGP routing.
They also use some custom switches according to Wikipedia:
The private side of the network is a secret, but a recent disclosure from Google[90] indicate that they use custom built high-radix switch-routers (with a capacity of 128 × 10 Gigabit Ethernet port) for the wide area network. Running no less than two routers per datacenter (for redundancy) we can conclude that the Google network scales in the terabit per second range (with two fully loaded routers the bi-sectional bandwidth amount to 1,280 Gbit/s).
The YouTube owner explains that normal non-skippable in-stream ads are limited to just 15 seconds in length.
This is bullshit. I don’t use an ad-blocker and often get a full minute of ad. And an extra minute if I happen to pause the stream for like 30 seconds and come back to it.
This is bullshit. I don’t use an ad-blocker
You should be kinder to yourself.
I consider the internet unusable without an ad blocker, ESPECIALLY youtube. I can’t imagine life without it. It would be like camping without a tent, I guess I could get by but it can really suck depending on where you go.
Hey! Whoa! That’s not fair at all!
You can TOTALLY go camping without a tent. Just as long as you don’t camp in a mosquitto heavy area.
Just sleep outside.
Then you get wet from dew, investigated by various night creatures, etc. Mosquitoes aren’t active at night, so that’s not a concern at all.
Last time I slept outside without a tent I got fucked by a bear.
Now you know to bring lube and some candles.
Not using a real ad blocker (read: PiHole or UBlockOrigin, fuck AdBlockPlus) is a serious security threat this day in age. Do yourself a favor and get that set up ASAP.
Using the internet without an ad blocker is like fucking every sex worker in Vegas without a condom.
Practice safe internet.
This message has not been sponsored by Firefox or uBlock Origin or Privacy Badger or Decentral Eyes, but if they want to throw some money my way I would accept.
It’s decentral eyes still relevant? I was reading that it use was now discouraged.
Nah, I’ve heard they stopped development. People use LocalCDN as a drop in replacement. However, by itself, it doesn’t change much when it comes to ads and tracking.
You’re pretty much asking for it by not using an ad blocker. Want it to stop? Boycott the ads.
What?! You are forced to watch an ad if you pause it for too long?!
Jfc i hate this gods damned timeline
Same. I get the whole range. Usually it’s short but occasionally it’s an hour long.
You’ve been here for two years and haven’t installed a blocker yet? That’s almost impressive
I wonder how they managed that, I’ve been here about a year and a half and I use Linux now, lol.
I also gave it another try after many years lol
I been on the internet since the 90s. I want to know what people are seeing. A commercial here or there keeps me in the loop about what is being pushed.
1 hour unskippable ads tells me a lot about what is going on, unfortunately.
Why do you need to be in the loop on ads?
I want to know what’s going on in the world.And that includes knowing what advertisers are pushing down our throats.Political ADS ads for products, things like that.How they’re going about it.
I care too much and it’s beginning a problem in my personal life
Just do that once in a while. You don’t need to subject yourself to ads every time you watch YouTube. I would say, once a week do a watch session without an ad blocker if you want to be in the loop.
There is already too much going on in the world and things trying to claim your attention. There are things we can’t control. Save your energy for that. Turn off web ads, use the uBlock Origin extension in your web browser. Try it for a week as a digital detox. If you really miss the ads you can always go back.
I don’t have a solution, but definitely find a way to care less. We only have so much time on this rock, so we might as well enjoy it.
I see where you’re coming from but meanwhile I’m here using crowd sourced addons to even skip embedded video sponsorships.
This is bullshit. I don’t use an ad-blocker.
You’re right. It IS bullshit that you don’t use an adblocker. It’s kind of like saying “This is bullshit! I don’t use oven mitts as I take hot metal trays out of the oven! Why am I the only one getting burned???”
You’re misunderstanding. They are calling out the claim of 15 seconds explicitly, they aren’t necessarily complaining about the ads.
Don’t hand wave their statement by arguing against something they aren’t talking about.
Watch Youtube on the Brave Browser and you’ll get zero ads.
Are ad blockers to blame?
Why do you make me hit you?
The funny thing is using a good adblocker and I haven’t noticed a single youtube ad, so if they’re to blame, they’re also the solution. I don’t see how this move functionally does anything other than punish those who can’t block ads.
Collective punishment
People that know what ad blockers are frequently use them. The act of punishing the group that isn’t aware of adblockers simply will drive more users to discover/make use of them.
“We have to punish you because of what those other people are doing to legitimately evade punishment” is only a useful argument if the punished group can somehow cover for those not affected.
Exactly. It’s a tired argument that’s been made in a lot of different mediums. It’s not worked in any of them.
Remember those unskippable anti-piracy DVD ads that only paying customers saw? The media industry has learned jack shit during the last 30 years.
You could skip them on PC, and they didn’t come when you rip them. So it was only paying customers using it in the expected way.
No no no…don’t hit them. That leaves a mark. Instead, hold them down, and tickle them for an hour.
Then if they try to go to the police, and say “they tickled me!” the cops will just laugh. And, no marks.
The only reason adblockers would be to blame would be because Google wanted to make up for lost revenue, similar to the myth of high end department stores having high prices because they expect their customers to shoplift.
