When politicians talk about how trans people are subhuman or deranged or biblically evil, it contributes to trans people being stigmatized and depressed. As a result of this culture of cruelty, many trans people end up committing suicide.
Where are the corporations firing these people? Just because trans teens sometimes commit suicide quietly behind closed doors does not make the violence somehow less terrible.
No not really
A hate crime that apparently carries 0 consequences across the globe. We live in a fucked up world
Yes, this is their intention. You know that right? They want to unalive them without going to jail. So the plan is to get them to do it to themselves.
Murder. Kill. Execute. Compel or coerce to take one’s own life. Use the actual words and terms for it, and not the weird censorship circumvention language.
People that support the likes of Charlie Kirk ask for evidence or examples, pure denial.
They always ask for rules for you but not for them.
Fascists and their enablers often ask in bad faith. They hyperfocus on vulnerable minorities, to distract from their own group being ontologically evil.
If I had the money I would hire all those who got fired.
Yes.
Since this is lemmy nobody can disagree with this opinion or post stats that discredit it without a ban.
Because it’s true. The anti-trans rethoric is incredibly harmful. If you don’t like trans people just because they’re trans, there’s the door
If it’s true, you should be able to rebut opposing views like “suicide rates are elevated in every population defined by symptoms of mental illnesses including gender dysphoria, it’s not specific to trans people”
The anti-trans rethoric is incredibly harmful.
The pro-trans rhetoric may also be harmful!
So, you support Lemmy banning people for disagreeing with the OP?
Such tolerance.
The tolerant left everyone
Advocates for the elimination of a minority group, gets banned. What!? You guys are not tolerant!
Nice straw man
I think you meant “that was accurate”
FTFY
“Lemmy” can’t ban people, people managing an instance can ban people. And yes it is ok to ban people for breaking the rules of a community or even an instance. If you have a problem with the rules on an instance go and create your own, that’s one of the core reasons Lemmy is federated.
Except instances that allow such things get defederated
Your point is? No one is forced to listen to your opinions but you aren’t prevented from having them if you run your own instance.
yes. Fuck transphobes, they’re not welcome here (on my instance, at least)
And what comprises “anti-trans rhetoric” and makes one a transphobe? Let’s say I agree trans people should have rights, be able to use the bathroom that corresponds to their identified gender, compete in the sports league that aligns with their identified gender, etc, but think they should have to inform their sexual partners of their trans status before engaging in sexual behavior with them. Am I a transphobe, spewing anti-trans rhetoric?
The anti-trans rethoric is stuff that harms trans people. Telling their partners they’re trans before sex does not harm trans people, as opposed to HRT being gatekept by a bunch of doctors uneducated on transgenderness.
Plenty of people would disagree with you that insisting trans people divulge their trans status to sexual partners doesn’t harm them, and would point out that it invalidated their gender identity by forcing them to identify not ad a woman/man, but as a trans-woman/man.
Likewise, one could argue that preventing trans people from participating in sports leagues that align with their gender identity prevents harm to cis people in the league.
I don’t think this is as black-and-white as you’re making it out to be.
That’s absurd. Nobody outside of academia is going to take that seriously.
Everyone in academics knows that violence has more forms than physical. You should probably catch up to the high school understanding of it.
Well it’s a good thing all those academics get listened to by the general public when they say that shit. Highly effective, clearly everyone is enthralled.
Everyone in and out of academics knows labeling speech “violent” is an attempt to get it censored. Stop being naïve.
Degenerates like you should be put in camps
Degenerates like you should be put in camps
LOL, reported. I hope you someday learn how to recognize that you’re the very thing you hate.
You’re so close to getting it XD
You seem to put the onus of trans killing themselves on everyone around them and not the inner turmoil of their own minds.
The person who is ridiculed because they are different, disowned from their families because they can’t meet the demands of pretending to be someone they are not, denied the social accommodation that makes their lives comfortable, refused housing because of how they look, denied the health care that helps them feel centered because it creeps out the people who do not have their condition… How can their mind be still?
Trans health is dependent on the people around us the same way your health is dependent on the people around you. Trans joy is as possible as trans suffering. The difference is in other people allowing it to happen.
This is a cis-white dude that has never felt any real discrimination in his life
Man, you would not handle being a minority.
You know how every day the society you live in DOESN’T tell you it hates you and that it wants you to die?
I get it we usually don’t notice things that don’t happen to us, but cmon -_-
Jeez what do you think causes that inner turmoil
I got my dream job offer rescinded two weeks ago BECAUSE I AM TRANS.
I have experienced sexual violence BECAUSE I AM TRANS.
I am terrified of being pulled over by a cop and institutionalized or incarcerated because the government says that my license is wrong now.
The problem is not my mental state. The problem is the discrimination.
If I killed myself, it would to be to avoid becoming homeless - because, like many trans people, there are substantial barriers to employment. It doesn’t matter if the Supreme Court said it’s illegal to fire people for being trans, it fucking happens.
My mental health would be peachy fucking keen if I were not part of the marginalized minority group that the government is so slavering to make a target that they tried to pretend the Kirk shooter carved trans propaganda into his bullets! They want to kill us or institutionalize us - how the fuck would your mental health be if you were walking around with a target on your back?
Having your right to existence denied/criticised/ridiculed might have something to do with it too
If you had to experience excruciating levels of gender dysphoria, hate and animosity – often coming from your own family –, maybe you would think differently…
It’s not just verbal either, there is a real chance of non-passing trans people getting followed or even beaten up, especially in he evenings/nights. And yes, in the “civilised” west.
Lower self-reported transphobia was associated with a 66 % reduction in ideation, and an additional 76 % reduction in attempts among those with ideation
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2.pdf
An increase by one context in which a chosen name could be used predicted a 5.37-unit decrease in depressive symptoms, a 29% decrease in suicidal ideation, and a 56% decrease in suicidal behavior.
https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(18)30085-5/fulltext#intraref0010a
Socially transitioned transgender children who are supported in their gender identity have developmentally normative levels of depression and only minimal elevations in anxiety, suggesting that psychopathology is not inevitable within this group.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26921285/
So yes. Increased depression and suicide among trans people is, according to the research, entirely correlated with social factors like how much they are accepted by friends/family and chose name use.
Response study, n=389
Response study, n=128
Response study, n=72
“According to the research” lol
So what’s the sample size?
Also can you explain why that sample size isn’t valid? Lots of important refrenced studies all over have double digit sample sizes and are acceptable because of the context of the study.
You can get a pretty good idea with a surprisingly small sample size, as long as your sampling isn’t biased in some way.
N is the sample size.
Experiencing certain forms of violence and harassment and having low-moderate social support from any source was associated with higher prevalence of suicidal ideation. Social support from family moderated the association between experiencing certain forms of violence and harassment and suicidal ideation (p interaction = 0.01); however, even in the presence of high family social support, experiencing certain forms of violence and harassment was associated with higher prevalence of suicidal ideation.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/su/su7301a7.htm
n = 1608 on this one.
Every study I’ve ever seen that looks at the link between social support and depression/suicidal thoughts in trans people shows a very clear link. Given the prevalence of transphobia in our society, this can entirely explain the increase in suicidal thoughts in trans people.
I think, in the literal sense you are correct, it is a legal form of violence. But what are you proposing? Saying you hate trans people, you don’t respect them (I’ve never heard conservatives actually call them “subhuman” but it probably does happen) etc. is reprehensible but it’s not illegal, and preventing people from saying mean things to one another is a pretty extreme form of censorship. If I make fun of someone and they later commit suicide should I be charged with a crime?
Unfortunately, America does not have any hate speech laws. You can legally do openly nazi marches in the street
Yea but what part of American government would you trust to restrict the speech you don’t like (and only that speech)? In the UK you’ve got the government arresting people for protesting in support of those guys that sprayed paint into the jet engines.
Well, there’s two ways of looking at it. One way is what you described. The other way is (it’s a discussion with monopoly opinions, not real currency, please no bully), trans people want something that’s impossible to get and are bound to be even more depressed after science has done what it can for them and left them a very unpleasing approximation that’s just good enough not to get sued for malpractice. So anti-trans people are, by mocking those shambolic attempts, actually in their eyes protecting future kids who would fall into the same trap.
How is wanting to exist and living their life impossible to achieve?
Unless you mean it is impossible because of those narrow minded folks who still think that they want to change to something they aren’t already.
All they want is their right to exist without being told of being not valid.
How is wanting to exist and living their life impossible to achieve?
For those who kill themselves? Because that’s what we’re talking about. The initial argument is about high rates of suicides. OP’s second sentence directly says those rates are a result of a culture of cruelty. What I’m saying is someone who is anti-trans will say the high suicide rates are because it’s impossible to change one’s sex. All the happy non-suicided trans people living their life are not even the object of this discussion.
Pretty sure its just hate and the vast majority of them don’t even know what medical science can do for a trans person. The vast majority of people who transition do not regret it which leads me to believe the treatment is more than some depressing impossible goal.
more than some depressing impossible goal.
Sure, if you just want to chill with a book and a cat and your new titties and don’t care about how other people view you. But since social media sets the standards, being attractive is a depressing impossible goal for vast majority of both sexes. Is the high rate of suicides even a given, as the title of this post claims?
Gender reassignment surgery is still classified as “cosmetic surgery” in the US
And it has the lowest rate of regret of any cosmetic surgeries.
So it’s more likely a patient would regret a face lift or lip filler over chopping their dick or tits off.
It really puts it into perspective how popular and reliable these procedures are for affirming people’s gender
And there’s a third way of looking at it, where people who shouldn’t have an opinion about it at all are suddenly full of right-wing talking points that don’t align with science and reality.
Starting to look a lot like Reddit in here…
I did that. The top comment was a troll and the thread was feeding the troll and people were reporting each other. Here is the modlog for the top comment.
Removed Comment: Since this is lemmy nobody can disagree with this opinion or post stats that discredit it without a ban.
reason: This is trolling. You are welcome to make claims and cite sources. This thread did neither of those. It was just bickering. Here is an example of claims with sources https://lemmy.world/comment/19389340
Lemmy mods have always been just as quick to ban and remove as reddit mods, if not faster. Although I feel like it varies more widely because of all the different instances.
I was part of that, an edgy user tried to say that you can’t ban speech because no speech is harmful
I told him, “degenerates like you belong in camps,” to show how speech is indeed harmful
They got buttmad and clutched pearls instead of taking a step back and self reflecting, this is all I have left from the exchange:
Seems like the mods nuked the whole thing because they’re lazy.
