Exactly. I’ve been saying this all day, but we literally hanged people at Nuremberg for doing exactly what Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of incitement to genocide.
Quick note to say legally speaking Nuremberg trials were kangaroo courts, and many prosecutors and judges were uneasy about the whole thing because many of the offences were not illegal in the Third Reich, and international law wasn’t yet developed enough to make them offences in a wider sense. That said, Nazis deserved a comeuppance and subsequently international laws were made more useful. But Nuremberg should never be held as the gold standard of jurisprudence. They were a starting point and we should always aim higher. People can look to The Hague for more effective and legally sound judgements on the matters of war crimes and human rights violations.
Why were they kangaroo courts? They were established by an International Charter.. You can point out that the Nazi’s crimes weren’t illegal under German law, but who cares? Multiple jurisdictions can exist simultaneously. Sure there’s an element of ex post facto in making crimes against humanity a legal charge after the fact, but the ex post facto protections are something we democratically agreed to adopt. And maybe we can just agree to not let genocide be subject to ex post facto protections under international treaty. Yes, this was all just made up by people, but ultimately all laws and legal systems were first dreamed up by people doing a lot of improvisation.
I don’t like the tone of that. If some dude peddling bullshit gets what he deserves, I don’t see the reason not to relish in it even a little. This guy has been an oppressive POS who’s rhetoric is celebrated by Neo Nazis. That’s like saying, “just cuz hitler died doesn’t mean you get to say mean things.”
Look, I know we all struggle to maintain morality against our emotions, but, sometimes, the reaction is perfectly valid.
With you. We can’t sit here and make fun of him for thinking so poorly of empathy while refusing to show any empathy. He was a piece of trash and needed to be taken out like one, but I’m not going to throw a party over it. It’s a “you gotta do what you gotta do” situation.
Having empathy is having the ability to see someone’s emotions and understand things from their point of view. Calling someone out for being am unpathetic POS doesn’t preclude you from being empathetic. Empathy doesn’t mean you have to abide evil.
I mean, I wouldn’t say “don’t celebrate it” but just because someone else is a piece of shit isn’t a blank check for you* to be a piece of shit.
*Collective “you”
There’s a difference between being an asshole and being an asshole while monetizing it and corrupting the next generation.
Even the CEO guy who got Luigi’d was not as bad as Charlie Kirk in my eyes, he just made evil decisions for profit
Charlie Kirk exported his evil. Taught kids how to be evil. To be all manner of phobic. To hate. He actively worked to make the world a worse place
Fuck him
Exactly. I’ve been saying this all day, but we literally hanged people at Nuremberg for doing exactly what Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of incitement to genocide.
he fomented, and encouraged hate+ violence amongst susceptible incel population, hes culpable.
Quick note to say legally speaking Nuremberg trials were kangaroo courts, and many prosecutors and judges were uneasy about the whole thing because many of the offences were not illegal in the Third Reich, and international law wasn’t yet developed enough to make them offences in a wider sense. That said, Nazis deserved a comeuppance and subsequently international laws were made more useful. But Nuremberg should never be held as the gold standard of jurisprudence. They were a starting point and we should always aim higher. People can look to The Hague for more effective and legally sound judgements on the matters of war crimes and human rights violations.
Why were they kangaroo courts? They were established by an International Charter.. You can point out that the Nazi’s crimes weren’t illegal under German law, but who cares? Multiple jurisdictions can exist simultaneously. Sure there’s an element of ex post facto in making crimes against humanity a legal charge after the fact, but the ex post facto protections are something we democratically agreed to adopt. And maybe we can just agree to not let genocide be subject to ex post facto protections under international treaty. Yes, this was all just made up by people, but ultimately all laws and legal systems were first dreamed up by people doing a lot of improvisation.
I don’t like the tone of that. If some dude peddling bullshit gets what he deserves, I don’t see the reason not to relish in it even a little. This guy has been an oppressive POS who’s rhetoric is celebrated by Neo Nazis. That’s like saying, “just cuz hitler died doesn’t mean you get to say mean things.”
Look, I know we all struggle to maintain morality against our emotions, but, sometimes, the reaction is perfectly valid.
I’m not celebrating his death, I’m celebrating the fact that he will no longer be calling for violence. Don’t see how that makes me the bad guy
If we’re both celebrating, it makes no difference to me.
I respect the dead the same way Hoots and Caelan Conrad do. I wonder if small face man from Toilet Paper USA will get an episode.
I always celebrate the elimination of cancer.
Schadenfreude.
With you. We can’t sit here and make fun of him for thinking so poorly of empathy while refusing to show any empathy. He was a piece of trash and needed to be taken out like one, but I’m not going to throw a party over it. It’s a “you gotta do what you gotta do” situation.
I feel more similarly to when you hear about exotic game hunters getting killed by the endangered animals they were hunting.
This got seems like a huge piece of crap, but I don’t take joy in this. But after all I’ve read he’s said today, yeah, not surprised at all.
I worry this is the start of something bigger though that will be terrible for everyone.
Having empathy is having the ability to see someone’s emotions and understand things from their point of view. Calling someone out for being am unpathetic POS doesn’t preclude you from being empathetic. Empathy doesn’t mean you have to abide evil.