Ok buddy.
Labor exploitation isn’t vegan. Vegans are doing the best they can, better than me.
Bacon vegans are the most nonsensical
We do the best we can to reduce harm and suffering.
Modern life is not vegan by nature, human infrastructure destroys animal habitats, human pollution is destroying the planet. Our species is responsible for the deaths of trillions of animals. Our existence is complicity.
Doing what I can to avoid consuming products of animal suffering is never going to be enough to counteract the majority of humans who revel in it. Especially as it’s them who’ve built/control/condone the broken systems this world is running on and will be ending due to.
Oil is vegan, though.
It’s made from the remains of dead plants.
Also, I’m not sure how vegans view corpses of animals.
Oil is from plankton and algae, and coal is from terrestrial plants. It’s all vegan
Plankton does contain animals.
Phytoplankton is composed of plants. Zooplankton and Ichthyoplankton are composed of animals.
Good point
Also, I’m not sure how vegans view corpses of animals.
Like a dead cow, chicken, or pig? Probably not favorably.
I’d argue the extraction, refinement and typical uses of petroleum oil are somewhat not-vegan.
Depends on whether you’re talking about oil/gas or coal. The former is dead marine fauna, the latter is dead terrestrial flora.
Coal is from woody (containing lignin) plants. I think oil/gas is from algal mats.
Oh yes good point. I guess flora and fauna are confusing terms in this context. Wiki talks of zooplankton and algae.
(The “zooplankton part” might still be relevant to the original post.)
Vegan has always been about doing the best you can in reducing the harm you do onto others and the environment as much your able to. Some vegans absolutely will refuse the use of petrol but most will see it as a current necessary evil they have to deal with and just reduce when able to in their current modern lives.
I drive an EV and my electricity’s 100% renewable.
Your move. :)
Is the food you eat farmed with tractors and transported in semis?
I didn’t know this post was made by satan.
You seem like a generally reasonable dude, hopefully you will be able to learn how your misconceptions about veganism and eating meat are just that: misconceptions.
Are people not allowed to better themselves in your world without 100% total perfection? It’s about doing our best in the world we live in, man. It seems like you’re committed to misunderstanding that, sadly.
Context: am not a vegan, but I strongly believe that perfection is the enemy of progress. Moreover, attitudes like this conveniently excuse folks from doing anything to better themselves or the world around them because “it’s hopeless” or “nothing I do will change anything”.
I’m a believer in harm reduction and the lesser of two evils that’s why I vote democrat.
Any plastic in that EV?
Probably? I dunno.
The plastic (including polyester fabrics) in your car was most likely derived from petroleum. The car parts were most likely shipped around during manufacturing using combustion engine vehicles. The energy to cast those car parts, probably some of it comes from non renewables. The labour to build the car almost surely comes from other people who consume gas (for example to drive to the EV factory)
That “100%” renewable energy? The installation and maintenance of it was/is almost certainly done with large industrial equipment and vehicles burning fossil fuels. (Similar issue with production of parts).
Look, I’m not saying you aren’t making positive choices by choosing renewable options. What I am saying is, while they are more renewable, they aren’t truly 100% renewable when you factor everything involved in it. Fossil fuels are so pervasive in society, it’s virtually impossible to both function in a modern society and not contribute to the consumption of fossil fuels.
Ugh.
Well, at least I can say I didn’t buy new.
people fucking love to do these gotchas against anyone for even fucking trying, don’t they
well congrats, you did it, you convinced all of us to compromise on our principles
I love vegans because they’re usually pretty normal people that have see front-and-center how collectively stupid most people are.
The majority of people are proud of their ignorance because it makes them fit in with others.
The irony of this comment.
How so?
You’re saying vegans are normal people while also saying that normal people are stupid and ignorant.
Vegan? Probably. But it is 100% Organic.
Actually 🤓, the refining process for many fossil fuel products requires the use of inorganic chemicals AND are proven to be hazardous to human health meaning they can’t even fit the US “Organic” certification. (Though I suppose the oil industry has enough money to
bribelobby the regulators)Now if you meant “organic” strictly as in “the final product is a purely hydrocarbon compound” then you’re correct, assuming you’ve entirely distilled out any metals or other inorganic compounds of course.
you eat oil?
I eat all kinds of oil.
Olive oil, cannabis oil, fish oil…
Is a leather couch vegan?
Only if not bought and taken when it instead would’ve became landfill
So a steak dinner that someone’s about to throw out can be vegan?
It’s only vegan once it’s been thrown out. That’s why I buy bulk steaks for dinners and throw them away to make it vegan before I eat them.
This is shifting blame. Fossil fuels are vegan in the sense of origin, however the harm done to the biosphere in using them is not vegan. Therefore a vegan using fossil fuels in a dependent society is to blame.
Sure. It’s not the much higher percentage of people participating in this, it’s the vegans. At least they’re making attempts to change, unlike the rest of us.
Plankton have animals in it though.
So they only use algae-only oil. Still doesn’t change the point.
Where do you buy algae only oil?
Non-vegans have a really hard time understanding veganism, huh?
They willfully refuse to try and understand, then we get posts like this every two weeks.
It’s like explaining free software to someone who only uses apple products.
Can a vegan eat a carnivorous plant?
They probably won’t because I think they’d taste disgusting.
I’d try one if I knew it wasn’t poisonous tho.
I really don’t get why people hate tomatoes.
Bladderworts have medicinal uses.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3353273/
3.2. Potential as Medicinal Crop Utricularia is recorded to be edible and high in nutrients. Some species used as folk remedies are mildly astringent and diuretic. U. caerulea is used to dress wounds while U. bifida is used to treat urinary diseases. Although yet to be widely researched, the medicinal potential of this species-rich genus is immense. In Peninsular Malaysia, U. bifida and U. minutissima are pioneers of open disturbed wetland and are often locally abundant, although U. caerulea is increasingly rare. U. bifida is highly suited for acidic damp soils. Neither chemical nor organic fertilisation is necessary. It can be cultivated without having to modify bad drainage or liming the soil to increase pH, therefore, it is a suitable alternative for small-scale herb cultivation on nutrient-poor, waterlogged soils.
looool
how do you know someone hates vegans?
don’t worry they’ll tell you
OMG I’m totally using this from now on. 😆
This is like banning H₂O, NaCl and C₁₂H₂₂O₁₁ from your life because “you don’t like chemicals”.
(Water, Salt and Sugar)
My sister had a freak out and told me she would never allow chemicals on her lawn. I said what about nitrogen?
NO FUCKING WAY
I followed up by asking her what she thinks our breathable atmosphere is made of, and what is captured by the rain and falls on her grass?
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN
I told her no, I don’t, because when you just make up imaginary definitions for words, no one can ever know what you mean.
This is a pretty dumb hill to die on. If someone says “chemicals on their lawn” it’s pretty clear they mean lawn treatment services.
You sound fun
