Your body needs a lot of trace nutrients that are not found in the fat stores, for all kinds of different things.
Also, if it starts to feel like the food supply is threatened, it won’t just happily burn through all the fat reserves down to 0 just trusting that there’s obviously more food available if things get really dire. At that point it’s life and death, and it’ll start to fight. All of these metabolic systems were designed and tuned for environments a lot more unpredictable than modern supermarket life of someone who always has money. Sure, you can “train” it to use up the fat reserves. But it’ll also start concluding that resources are scarce, and it’ll start hoarding in fat whatever it can get its hands on, and ramp way down on resource consumption for a few different pretty important things, among them running the brain and maintaining the physical structures in the body.
If you want your body to run through its fat reserves, do intermittent fasting. I have no real idea, but I suspect that the regularity of it is detected by the body and interpreted as a signal that things are stable and reliable, and it’s okay to reduce the fat reserves which will then carry a few other benefits which are evolutionarily good things. Just “eat less sugar ignore when you’re hungry to train your body to burn fat” isn’t necessarily wrong I think, but it needs a whole bunch of asterisks to really become complete good advice, as far as I knkow.
Your body needs a lot of trace nutrients that are not found in the fat stores, for all kinds of different things.
Yeah, we call those “vitamins”.
And like I wrote, “as long as you’re getting essential vitamins”. Angus was monitored by doctors. It was supposed to be just a short diet, but as Angus felt good, was being monitored and wanted to continue.
just happily burn through all the fat reserves down to 0 just trusting that there’s obviously more food available if things get really dire
Not “happily”, no, but it will burn through all of your fat. And then eventually you die if you don’t find more. Which is why you’re more likely to become more aggressive as that situation becomes more likely and/or the longer you’re kept somewhat deprived of required sustenance.
But our bodies aren’t magical objective truth knowing machines. They don’t know what is needed. They’re just pretty fucking good at estimating and adapting.
Sure, you can “train” it to use up the fat reserves.
You got that the wrong way around, m8. You’ve trained your body to be on calory-save mode. Using glucose and panicking when it doesn’t get some for a few hours. Fat burning is normal. Eating “three square meals a day” is arguably way more often than we need and not necessarily even healthy. (As in intermittent fasting may be better. I’m not saying it is, I’m saying neither or us knows enough to call that as a fact or not, even with googling, as nutrition sciences are very complex and the whole field doesn’t agree on any single thing.)
I have no real idea, but I suspect that the regularity of it is detected b
I mean, I do. I do intermittent fasting every basically. Not as a choice, just as a symptom more or less. But I regularly go 16+ hours without eating. There’s definitely a sweet spot between 10-24 hours or so 24 is a bit much and won’t work for any sort of stability obviously.
But yeah one meal a day usually. Perhaps something light early in the day / during the day, like fruit or nuts, and then a big meal late in the evening. A packet of chicken wings, couple of tomatoes, large red öniön, Turkish yoghurt on the side. A pint of beer with it. Mmm.
My body goes kinda quickly from one mode to the other, I don’t have to “train” mine anymore despite swapping between munching candy all day and intermittent fasting and decent-ish diet.
The calory saver mode is essentially "since you’ve been munching on sugary treats (berries/candy) for every hour you’re awake for the past two days, we (the body) have decided that you’ll now get sugar cravings two hours after you stop eating. Just to make sure you remember to eat while it’s available.
Which is why, like you pointed out, our systems aren’t really adapted to the kind of environment where you can actually eat as much as you want.
If I was billionaire with a private chef, I’d be obese. But am not, and… am not.
But you just got it a little bit the wrong way around. You have to remind your body that scarcity is real. Which is why intermittent fasting works so well.
ust “eat less sugar ignore when you’re hungry to train your body to burn fat” isn’t necessarily wrong I thin
I was thinking morelike “make sure you’re not addicted to sugar, stuck on ‘harvest-time’ mode for the entire year.”
large red öniön, Turkish yoghurt on the side. A pint of beer with it. Mmm.
I am sorry to report, I’ve lost my faith in your nutritional science capabilities
Edit: If I am to take it out of the realm of sarcastic dismissal, I would say that you spun up this whole narrative about how the person you’re talking to is addicted to sugar and needs to eat sweet stuff constantly throughout the day, just because they said they can’t go a full day without eating. I don’t even violently disagree with most of what you’re saying here, most of it I agree with if it is applied to someone who is constantly eating and whose metabolism is adapted like you said, but it seems unlikely that that applies to the person you’re talking to. It feels like you sort of applied a whole bunch of stuff that’s more a you situation or something you’re familiar with, to the other person without bothering to gather the information about what’s going on with them. And then talking about the large red öniön just brought it into the realm of the surreal for me.
Your body needs a lot of trace nutrients that are not found in the fat stores, for all kinds of different things.
Also, if it starts to feel like the food supply is threatened, it won’t just happily burn through all the fat reserves down to 0 just trusting that there’s obviously more food available if things get really dire. At that point it’s life and death, and it’ll start to fight. All of these metabolic systems were designed and tuned for environments a lot more unpredictable than modern supermarket life of someone who always has money. Sure, you can “train” it to use up the fat reserves. But it’ll also start concluding that resources are scarce, and it’ll start hoarding in fat whatever it can get its hands on, and ramp way down on resource consumption for a few different pretty important things, among them running the brain and maintaining the physical structures in the body.
If you want your body to run through its fat reserves, do intermittent fasting. I have no real idea, but I suspect that the regularity of it is detected by the body and interpreted as a signal that things are stable and reliable, and it’s okay to reduce the fat reserves which will then carry a few other benefits which are evolutionarily good things. Just “eat less sugar ignore when you’re hungry to train your body to burn fat” isn’t necessarily wrong I think, but it needs a whole bunch of asterisks to really become complete good advice, as far as I knkow.
Yeah, we call those “vitamins”.
And like I wrote, “as long as you’re getting essential vitamins”. Angus was monitored by doctors. It was supposed to be just a short diet, but as Angus felt good, was being monitored and wanted to continue.
Not “happily”, no, but it will burn through all of your fat. And then eventually you die if you don’t find more. Which is why you’re more likely to become more aggressive as that situation becomes more likely and/or the longer you’re kept somewhat deprived of required sustenance.
But our bodies aren’t magical objective truth knowing machines. They don’t know what is needed. They’re just pretty fucking good at estimating and adapting.
You got that the wrong way around, m8. You’ve trained your body to be on calory-save mode. Using glucose and panicking when it doesn’t get some for a few hours. Fat burning is normal. Eating “three square meals a day” is arguably way more often than we need and not necessarily even healthy. (As in intermittent fasting may be better. I’m not saying it is, I’m saying neither or us knows enough to call that as a fact or not, even with googling, as nutrition sciences are very complex and the whole field doesn’t agree on any single thing.)
I mean, I do. I do intermittent fasting every basically. Not as a choice, just as a symptom more or less. But I regularly go 16+ hours without eating. There’s definitely a sweet spot between 10-24 hours or so 24 is a bit much and won’t work for any sort of stability obviously.
But yeah one meal a day usually. Perhaps something light early in the day / during the day, like fruit or nuts, and then a big meal late in the evening. A packet of chicken wings, couple of tomatoes, large red öniön, Turkish yoghurt on the side. A pint of beer with it. Mmm.
My body goes kinda quickly from one mode to the other, I don’t have to “train” mine anymore despite swapping between munching candy all day and intermittent fasting and decent-ish diet.
The calory saver mode is essentially "since you’ve been munching on sugary treats (berries/candy) for every hour you’re awake for the past two days, we (the body) have decided that you’ll now get sugar cravings two hours after you stop eating. Just to make sure you remember to eat while it’s available.
Which is why, like you pointed out, our systems aren’t really adapted to the kind of environment where you can actually eat as much as you want.
If I was billionaire with a private chef, I’d be obese. But am not, and… am not.
But you just got it a little bit the wrong way around. You have to remind your body that scarcity is real. Which is why intermittent fasting works so well.
I was thinking morelike “make sure you’re not addicted to sugar, stuck on ‘harvest-time’ mode for the entire year.”
I am sorry to report, I’ve lost my faith in your nutritional science capabilities
Edit: If I am to take it out of the realm of sarcastic dismissal, I would say that you spun up this whole narrative about how the person you’re talking to is addicted to sugar and needs to eat sweet stuff constantly throughout the day, just because they said they can’t go a full day without eating. I don’t even violently disagree with most of what you’re saying here, most of it I agree with if it is applied to someone who is constantly eating and whose metabolism is adapted like you said, but it seems unlikely that that applies to the person you’re talking to. It feels like you sort of applied a whole bunch of stuff that’s more a you situation or something you’re familiar with, to the other person without bothering to gather the information about what’s going on with them. And then talking about the large red öniön just brought it into the realm of the surreal for me.