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The Quebec government started a thing like that during the pandemic but they folded it a year or so ago.

Grumble grumble. Stupid political realists. Grumble grumble.

Disprove me. Point me official policies enacted by one of the two US parties that materially opposed Israeli Apartheid and the genocide of Palestinians since Oslo. To make sure I don’t move the goalposts by claiming you cherry pick occasional bleeps, make a strong argument by showing me a consistent trend.

EDIT: added “since Oslo” because we need some start time.

EDIT2: Here’s what ChatGPT has to say about this. It is obviously not the arbiter of truth, but I guess this is common enough knowledge that it has made to the training of LLMs. Not a proof, but a baseline to beat:

Since the Oslo Accords in 1993, both major U.S. political parties—the Democrats and the Republicans—have predominantly supported Israel, often refraining from officially opposing its policies toward Palestinians. While individual politicians within these parties have occasionally criticized Israeli actions, a consistent, party-wide trend of enacting official policies that materially oppose what some describe as Israeli apartheid or the genocide of Palestinians is not evident.

Democratic Party:

Historically, the Democratic Party has maintained strong support for Israel. However, in recent years, a progressive faction within the party has voiced concerns over Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. Notably, members of “The Squad,” including Representatives Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, have condemned Israeli policies. For instance, in October 2023, Tlaib accused Israel of committing genocide, stating, “President Biden, not all America is with you on this one, and you need to wake up and understand. We are literally watching people commit genocide.”

Despite these individual statements, the broader Democratic Party has not adopted official policies that consistently oppose Israeli actions. The party’s platform continues to support a two-state solution without explicitly condemning Israel’s practices. While some Democrats have urged the administration to take a firmer stance, such as the January 2024 letter from 60 Democratic Congressmembers urging Secretary of State Antony Blinken to condemn the forced displacement of Palestinians, these actions represent internal party debates rather than an official, unified policy shift.

Republican Party:

The Republican Party has traditionally exhibited unwavering support for Israel. Under President Donald Trump’s administration, this support intensified, with actions such as recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and moving the U.S. embassy there. The 2024 Republican Party platform reaffirmed the party’s stance to “stand with Israel” and called for the deportation of “pro-Hamas radicals,” indicating a continued strong alliance. WIKIPEDIA

While there have been isolated critiques—such as Trump’s personal criticisms of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu—these do not reflect a broader party policy opposing Israeli actions toward Palestinians. Overall, the Republican Party has not enacted official policies that materially oppose Israel’s treatment of Palestinians.

Conclusion:

In summary, neither the Democratic nor the Republican Party has demonstrated a consistent trend of enacting official policies that materially oppose Israel’s actions toward Palestinians since the Oslo Accords. While individual members within these parties have expressed dissenting views, these have not translated into official party-wide policies or actions.

You know how we say that Israel is going to continue with apartheid and colonization even if Netanyahu is voted out? And that focusing too much on Netanyahu is sometimes a red herring because Israeli Apartheid is structural and a long term strategic goal of the Israeli establishment? Like, sure Netanyahu accelerates the process and does it shamelessly and publicly, but it’s not as if the process had not been in full swing by both center-left and center-right governments before him, who massively expanded settlements and entrenched the occupation and settlements.

Same logic applies for the US support of Israeli Apartheid. Your system moves faster and more overtly when controlled by your fascist Right. But I’m not going to pretend that your non-fascist Center is not basically moving in the same direction.

Just because your political system puts a gun to your heads every four years, doesn’t mean the rest of us have to buy into the same blackmail. (EDIT: we have other blackmails foisted on us by our own assholes thank you very much.)

I never said they started the war. I said they support genocide and apartheid (and I should have added occupation). Which they do. You can argue all you like whether their reasons for doing it are good or bad, but the simple fact of the matter is that in a bipartisan way they support Apartheid Israel and its policies for genocide and occupation. That’s just factual.

Critics warn that a ban could portray the AfD as martyrs.

So? Martyr the shit out of them.

Non American here. Both your parties are genocide and apartheid supporters. Simple as that.

Yea, one of the two is more than the other. But you got to come to terms with the fact that your country’s bipartisan effect in the region is kinda evil.

Lol, down vote all you like. I’m just telling the truth.

In that case, Spain has a divine right to all parts of the US west of the Tordesillas Meridian. The pope said so.

Drill baby drill. And then, Burn baby Burn and Drown baby Drown. Fuck Trump.

This will surely help peace.

You’re such a rational enlightened person.

For the rest of us:

https://youtu.be/4xGawJIseNY

He did the salute. And talked about the Great Replacement Theory. And endorsed the fucking AfD. And named himself Kekius Maximus.

He’s a Nazi, Jack, wake up.

What’s the difference between a nazi and a cringe edgelord?

Gaslighting.

I expect the American pro-Israel politicians who threw hissy fits for «free Palestine» slogans to take appropriate stances for a literal fucking nazi salute on Inauguration day.

Of course also the Israeli government, the German government, etc.

Come on, you fucking assholes. Dare you fucking speak up?

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Dragonslayers. We need dragonslayers. 🐉 🗡️

I honestly think the continuum existed before the Ottomans. Take the Mediterannean and start mixing in everything from Persians, Armenians and Arabs to Romans, Slavs and Greeks. Everything is related to everything else and has a history from 3000BC and roots from Spain to Mongolia. Take a greco-roman cake, add persian confectionaries and let it marinate in the Ottoman empire, and presto a new thing.

I’ve some of them in my family and my friend circles, so, yes sure.

Greek baklava also is typically made with butter and walnuts, whereas Turkish baklava is with pistachios and oil.

All that said, it’s all part of the Eastern Mediterranean cultural continuum, it’s all one thing and the flag you put on it matters less and less the more you learn about it.