Being called an antisemite doesnt have the sting it used to. Now it just means anyone the genocidal state of Israel and their supporters disagree with in any way. Seems like weaponized language quickly loses meaning.

I’ve been looking for any possible way that an average Joe can make a difference and havent been able to come up with any plan. So now I have one. Will go out after work and see about buying a train.

Ah. You still dont understand how the US works. Send a small bribe directly to the Trump family and you can do whatever you like. I suggest using Eric Trump. If Dems are in charge send a bribe to AIPAC and they will give the dems their allowance. Either way its probably not even expensive.

Yeah look into the official 9/11 report.

you really think thats an accurate and truthful document?

Maybe we’re reading different source material.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/miller.html

PBS interview transcript: "when I asked bin Laden if he was worried about being captured in an American raid, he quickly dismissed the possibility, turning instead to the reasons he hates the United States.

"The American imposes himself on everyone. Americans accuse our children in Palestine of being terrorists–those children, who have no weapons and have not even reached maturity. At the same time, Americans defend a country, the state of the Jews, that has a policy to destroy the future of these children.

“We are sure of our victory against the Americans and the Jews as promised by the Prophet: Judgment day shall not come until the Muslim fights the Jew, where the Jew will hide behind trees and stones, and the tree and the stone will speak and say, ‘Muslim, behind me is a Jew. Come and kill him.’”

Bin Laden never raises his voice, and to listen to his untranslated answers, one could imagine that he was talking about something that did not much concern him. Nonchalant. He does not smile. He continued, looking down at his hands as if he were reading invisible notes. “Your situation with Muslims in Palestine is shameful–if there is any shame left in America. Houses were demolished over the heads of children. Also, by the testimony of relief workers in Iraq, the American-led sanctions resulted in the death of more than one million Iraqi children. All of this is done in the name of American interests. We believe that the biggest thieves in the world and the terrorists are the Americans. The only way for us to fend off these assaults is to use similar means. We do not worry about American opinion or the fact that they place prices on our heads. We as Muslims believe our fate is set.”"

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“We do not differentiate between those dressed in military uniforms and civilians; they are all targets in this fatwa.” Bin Laden argued that American outrage at attacks on American civilians constitutes a great double standard.

“American history does not distinguish between civilians and military, not even women and children. They are the ones who used bombs against Nagasaki. Can these bombs distinguish between infants and military? America does not have a religion that will prevent it from destroying all people.”

Bin Laden believes that what we consider to be terrorism is just the amount of violence required to get the attention of the American people. His aim is to get Americans to consider whether continued support of Israel is worth the bloodshed he promises.

“So we tell the Americans as people,” bin Laden said softly, “and we tell the mothers of soldiers and American mothers in general that if they value their lives and the lives of their children, to find a nationalistic government that will look after their interests and not the interests of the Jews. The continuation of tyranny will bring the fight to America, as Ramzi Yousef and others did. This is my message to the American people: to look for a serious government that looks out for their interests and does not attack others, their lands, or their honor. And my word to American journalists is not to ask why we did that but ask what their government has done that forced us to defend ourselves.”

Cicling back to you though mothmandelorian, I see you made a surprising number of comments defending Elon Musk and insisting he’s not a nazi and didn’t make a nazi salute. So it could also be you just deny anything you dont like, even in the face of video evidence–and substiture your preferred version of reality in the place of whatever is real. Good chat. Cheers.

Bin Laden said he did 9/11 to bring attention to the Palestinians suffering. So supporting zionism is how we got 9/11. About two and a half decades later we havent learned a single thing. If anything we care less about human lives all the time.

6-8 years.

Solid plan, what could possibly go wrong.

I’m not sure what to do though. Pitchforks at city hall? mean letters to white house interns? Protests that the news wont cover? I live in one of the bluest states there is.

We certainly cant count on the Corporatist dems doing much of anything, except if there is any pushback they will try to use it as a photo op while contributing no support to it at all.

Its Americans trying to buy food who will be hit with a 25% tarriff, not Mexico. And Mexican farmers wont see a dime of that revenue, if anything they will see a decline in revenue as people stop buying the products. It all goes to the US treasury.

you say voting for Dems would destroy it, but letting literal fascists get absolute power would also destroy it, permanently,

“it” the first time being the democratic party. We cant prop up a far right dem party. correct.

Your second use of “it” is the republic itself.

Call me names all you want, or disagree all you want, thats fine with me.

Giant meteor is what we need.

Even out of power they still find a way to give hand jobs for industry donations and casually screw the public. I admire their energy.

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But the situation the USA was in was one of minimizing overall damage

thats logical in a narrow scoping, but I think its reasonable to also consider the longer term effects of the ‘left’ party in the US continuing a track of far right wing actions over time and how that changes the Democratic party and likely destroys it. No one will vote for republican-lite or fascist lite-- those platforms always lose. The DNC doesn’t understand that. Maybe occasionally a Dem leader goes off the rails and can be disavowed later, sure, but if the party stays evil for long enough, that option of disavowing the evildoers’ mistakes goes away and sticks to all dems. The voter losses across all demographics in the last elections show we are at the point of losing the voters and with that our ability to win in the future. For now its still an option to disavow and explicitly reject Biden/Harris’s actions, if we find the stones to throw the old pro-evil anti-lower and anti-middle class leadership out on their ass and admit they were wrong.

Sure the war crimes were destined to happen with either party after the election-- and I’d argue with similar severity. Both parties will let the zionists do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want. Both parties will also fund the zionists with weapons and money, and will run interference in the UN. But I’d rather they be done by the US republicans which gives us at least a chance to rescue the US Dems, which was badly in need of rescue. Rescue means disempowering the bad actors, which is now completed. Without a dethroning of centrism that evil direction was immutable due to the way funding steers political action in the US. So the dems had to lose the election to pure evil or face political dissolution as evil lite in the short-middle time frame. Yes, the cost is dire in terms of Trump being much worse with internal policy. The prognosis for the US is possibly fatal… We are on life support as a country of laws and as an entity on the world stage with global reserve currency dominance.

Before the election, both parties seemed inevitably doomed-- it was simply of whether it was in the very short term or in the short-medium term. Now the Dems might conceivably disavow their mistakes and correct themselves, after a trip to the woodshed for what we all should agree is a beating of the neolibs that needs to occur if we are to move forward.

Either way we have a lot to answer for as a people who perpetuate this political reality, which affects the world quite a bit. The concept of collective responsibility exists, even if Americans seldom talk about it or understand it.

No lets circle back to exactly what you said. How are they “much worse off”?

So, “silly you”, you admit what you said isnt true, right? The brutality you cited under trump is the same (or less) brutality Palestinians enjoyed under Biden? If you agree, then I agree with you.

most other things also run in linux.

Much worse off now? Since the ceasefire?

By abstaining you allowed the greater evil to prevail

I’m heartened to hear that you at least understand that Biden/Harris was evil. Its a good start.

So…why do you think its bullshit? Trump was talking about this last time so it doesnt seem like one of his usual distractions and lies. Seems like he actually wants to take it. Every once in a while one of his series of lies is true.