He lifted this ban,

I’ll say it again. Biden sent FOURTEEN THOUSAND of these bombs already - and that was as of 7 months ago. Enough to literally wipe out half of the population of Gaza.

recognizes the settlements

The fact that you’d say this without specifying which ones really speaks to how little you know about this. The Golan Heights, which the Biden admin already calls as “Israel”? East Jerusalem & the West Bank, which the Clinton admin bantustan-ized in the Oslo Accords and which every subsequent admin recognizes the Palestine side of even less? The Biden administration does not recognize the international consensus on “Israel” having the pre-1967 borders. They don’t recognize Palestine, at odds with the international consensus. The entire country was literally formed by ethnic cleansing in the first place. The Biden administration did like three token sanctions on random West Bank settlers, with no recognition that state officials were behind the policy of annexation and the complicity of the military in it.

And what “free election”? 8 years of Biden & Obama admins came and went. The last election in Palestine was under BUSH, and the official U.S. policy, after Hamas (which is a political party, mind you) won a majority of seats in the parliamentary runoff election, was to support the Palestinian Authority in overthrowing the results of the election in an illegal coup, resulting in the civil war that left Hamas in power in Gaza. The U.S. rejection of the election results has been the norm across Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1, and Biden. Not to mention that the entire premise of an election - democracy - is it odds with the fundamentally Jewish supremacist nature of “Israel”, a state founded on ethnic “purism”, exclusion, apartheid and genocide of an indigenous population, and endless regional expansionist warfare. The U.S. policy is “we accept a complete racial divide and military occupation based on the supremacy of that race in the region, but oh yeah, we’d love if the underclass might eventually have elections or something…I mean, as long as they vote for who we want”.

So if you didnt vote for Harris you didnt just completely doom palestinians but also your country.

You think because, out of all the non-Trump voters, your group was in the majority, that everyone who didn’t side with you must have been wrong. But you voted for an absolute monster and psychopath, as willfully complicit in genocide as Biden (who you would have voted for also) was. You people split the vote from candidates who aren’t complicit in mass murderers, and you still have the gall to accuse everyone else of being the problem. The person you voted for was so far beneath the standards of a free society that people couldn’t even stomach it (and not even enough to swing the election, mind you).

It’s always the refrain of people doing something horribly immoral, that anybody taking the higher road is just doing “virtue signalling” or “preaching their moral purity”. This is just rationalization. You cannot confront your own faults, the deep, horrific faults of your society, so you blame the few lone dissenters who realize that absolute fundamental change is the only path out of this. The 1% of people who voted De la Cruz or Stein did not decide the outcome of this election. 98% of you voted for an absolute monster.

Now what is the point of a representative democracy? We pick the candidate that will do the best by us. Right? You have all completely abandoned that premise. Every election, a D and an R run, one of them wins, they do absolutely whatever they want, and as long as you think the Republicans are even 0.0001% worse, you’ll vote for the D. You never abandon that group. This completely sacrifices any power the people have, because we don’t have federal referendums, we don’t have FPTP, we don’t have recalls, we don’t have no confidence votes, we don’t have null votes, we ONLY get to vote in these elections, and our single power to control this system is completely neutered. All they have to do is find a single issue where they even SOUND better than the Republicans on, and they can be as absolutely corrupt as they want.

Why do you not blame the ~48% Democrat voters for not gathering behind a candidate who isn’t a war criminal? Or the ~49% Trump voters? Does it not cause any self-reflection that the crime of all crimes, genocide, is no longer a red line for you in a politician? What is your long-term strategy to bring this genocidal system back under the control of the people - voting for the people who are operating it, without question, forever? Cause I don’t think that’s gonna work.

And the disproof of that argument is Trump sending the 2,000 pound “bunker buster” bombs?

You know how many Biden sent? FOURTEEN. THOUSAND: https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28/ That’s as of last June.

Those bombs can wipe out a hundred people (and did, over and over). You know how many fighting members Hamas (Al Qassam) was supposed to have had as of Oct 7? Forty thousand. Do the math. And then go take a look at the pictures coming out of Gaza this week.

I don’t know how you guys don’t get this. Biden’s policy on Palestine was “no holds barred genocide with lip service otherwise”. Trump is the same thing minus the lip service. I think you all need to take a break from talking about this until you’ve figured out what the hell is going on. Because seriously, if you don’t even know what’s happening, you’re just reacting in fight or flight mode, it’s like you’re pouring water on an electric fire.

And honestly - your whole depiction of what the “tankies” are saying - are we supposed to rely on your mocking portrayal of them? What did they actually say? Who are we talking about specifically? What was their full argument?

Where is this take simultaneously coming from for everyone?

Guys. NOBODY. THOUGHT. TRUMP. WAS. BETTER. Now we can finally acknowledge that the American so-called “left” political party is so obscenely fucked that they’re complicit in genocide? Literally the hallmark of Nazi Germany? Perhaps we as a people do not really have a lot of choice going on, and impotently choosing between two fascist parties election after election is not going to gradually bring us to democratic reform?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war’s start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

Hope that helps!

I think of the millions of “pro-Palestinian lemmings”, there were all of like five that said Trump would help. Everyone else looked soberly at the bipartisan support for genocide, which you seem unwilling to acknowledge.

I think the tally at this point is about 30 billion dollars worth of arms sent to “Israel” since Oct '23. 99% of that under Biden. Breaking domestic and international law in doing so. That is the largest foreign benefactor of the U.S., a fundamentally apartheid state engaged in genocide for 77 years, more brutally and unashamedly than ever before since '23. Again, this is violating the Leahy Law, U.S. domestic prohibitions on the commission or complicity in genocide, the UN Genocide Convention, likely the Geneva Conventions, and other international law. I would love for someone with your stance to explain why Biden engaged in this, because I think you’re just floundering trying to describe this situation without that key piece of information.

Hope that helps. Not sure why you are looking to excuse complicity in genocide by drawing a D/R division where there really is not one. IMO what you’re doing in posting this is extremely immoral and I urge you to reconsider your views.

P.S.:

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-has-sent-israel-thousands-2000-pound-bombs-since-oct-7-2024-06-28

WASHINGTON, June 28 (Reuters) - The Biden administration has sent to Israel large numbers of munitions, including more than 10,000 highly destructive 2,000-pound bombs and thousands of Hellfire missiles, since the start of the war in Gaza, said two U.S. officials briefed on an updated list of weapons shipments.

Between the war’s start last October and recent days, the United States has transferred at least 14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, 6,500 500-pound bombs, 3,000 Hellfire precision-guided air-to-ground missiles, 1,000 bunker-buster bombs, 2,600 air-dropped small-diameter bombs, and other munitions, according to the officials, who were not authorized to speak publicly.

As someone who’s actually been following the individual arm shipments, the implication that there is any difference is literally insane. Biden was shoveling coal into the genocide engine as fast as humanly possible.

I have… definitely had that before.

Sure, if you say so.

until it was clear he was unassailably in power

Yes, that part where power was seized.

Oh, now it’s owned by the Chinese military?

Which part of “freedom of speech” involves precluding us from ingesting content from a country our government decided it doesn’t like? Or electing to send our own device data or interactions to that country?

That unanimous decision made it perfectly clear that the government knows something we don’t,

Yeah, they know who pays their checks.

My bet is on the genocide being much worse than even TikTok was showing,

TikTok showed them incinerating an entire civilization. Not sure what you saw on there.

If that were true then they wouldn’t have given ByteDance the option to sell 80% to citizens and continue operating.

Except the entire point of that is the U.S. ownership would succumb to that pressure.

Sidestep providing the evidence and go straight for the personal attack. Nice.

Bytedance’s long-term hope is naturally to be able to continuing operating everywhere without violating any laws. Right? Therefore, their strategy is to stay as compliant as possible with various national laws (within reason), right? Therefore they have to take a conservative reading of the bill (PAFACA). So let’s look at the text of the bill:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/7521/text

(1) PROHIBITION OF FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATIONS.—It shall be unlawful for an entity to distribute, maintain, or update (or enable the distribution, maintenance, or updating of) a foreign adversary controlled application by carrying out, within the land or maritime borders of the United States, any of the following: […]

Now, the actual distribution of TikTok is done by a U.S. corp, incorporated in California and Delaware. That corp has to stay compliant with these laws. Therefore, to maintain or update or enable the distribution of an app as defined in this bill, is legally punishable. Make sense? Particularly because the law mentions them by name, there is basically zero legal defense against it besides contesting its constitutionality. Which the horrifically corrupt Supreme Court upheld.

So, probably the only way they felt comfortable resuming operations in the U.S. was with some kind of written agreement with the Trump admin - as of yet undisclosed.

Yeah, but the ban passed with overwhelming bipartisan support, randomly jammed inside of the global military spending package including funding the Ukrainian war effort and the genocide in Gaza (which is a must-support bill for Democrats and Republicans alike I guess).

Chicken and the egg, he would have been defeated in the marketplace of ideas, if he didn’t seize power and destroy the marketplace of ideas. If the German population held freedom of expression, equality for all under the law, etc., as sacrosanct, and Hitler wasn’t able to manufacture a legal mechanism to seize power, nothing would have happened. But, they were missing that kind of unity, the idea of what a better society should look like and why it’s worth defending, so that enough psychopaths organized around Hitler that he was able to enforce his mandates.

Ultimately the question is about whether or not a political paradigm can gain enough traction to have its followers come out on top of everyone else. The prevailing wind of society has to be justice instead of injustice. And not always “domestically”, either, war and colonialism take a very similar shape. just as a projection from one region into another. This gets to Chomsky’s description of “power structures”. A fascist power structure could defeat, or be defeated by, the organization of the people, but it all depends on their collective cultural mindset - strength in numbers, arms, organization, etc. That is why ultimately the fight against fascism is about the necessity of education, and why fascists attack all forms of education.

Remember when Musk took over Twitter and “open sourced” the algorithm, although it was impossible to reconstruct anything from what was given, and contained clear signs of being edited and incriminating details suggesting content categorization and prioritization?

What I really want to see is Facebook’s algorithm, because it seems to just produce a neverending stream of alt-right bullshit.

I swear on the graves of my ancestors, they script this shit to keep everyone guessing at what the real explanation is. Everyone finds a way to fit it into their own understanding of how the world works. Same thing with the ceasefire agreement. Democrats understand it one way, Republicans understand it another way, outsiders understand it a third (or fourth or fifth), more skeptical way.

Nobody would want to take a shitty deal, and since your comment was posted it’s back online in the US. You sound like you don’t understand how business works and are twisting facts to fit your understanding of the situation.

What is the one on the left anyway?

What are you basing that on.