Desperate*

Just get the Jan 6 rioters on call, I’m sure they’d be happy to help with that

Explain how demand elasticity affects both countries please. I expect Trump uses these tariffs as a scare tactic for countries who depend greatly on exports to America, but i don’t know how elasticity of demand plays in.

What’s lacklustre about DSA politics?

When you say socialism has to remain a mixed system of sorts, are you implying a social democracy? Or are you saying that socialism would remain a mixed system if the justice system is left intact and therefore should read Lenin to see how one could go about transforming institutions to better fit socialism?

It’s quite clear they’re sealioning

Oh come on. You know that’s not the argument they made…

Never thought I’d find myself quoting Marxist apologia, but read Blackshirts and Reds😪

Maybe stop asking leftists to swing to the right (which is what you mean by compromise, presumably) and make some concessions of your own towards the left for a change, then maybe we can talk about coalition building.

Obama did it and it was fine. You’re a closed-minded leftist. It’s fine. Your type is so prevalent, that’s why we’re never going to gain power.

Fwiw, I don’t disagree with your positions, but i think the core of leftism should remain working class issues (AOC and Bernie also identify with this stance) and liberals to some extent share that stance.

Damn… DSA is a big thing. Respect to you for getting your hands dirty with politics. I wish more realised that you don’t win over opponents by trying to be ideologically pure but by trying to accommodate multiple ideologies and finding common ground.

You’re attacking a strawman. Nobody is saying the left should “compromise with literal fascists.” What I’m saying is that coalition-building is necessary for power.

Yes, Democrats have serious problems. Yes, they enable capitalist exploitation and refuse to meaningfully challenge corporate power. Yes, they uphold the prison-industrial complex. But that doesn’t make them the same as fascists. Fascists want outright ethnostates, mass purges, dictatorship, and full corporate-state fusion.

When liberals are pushed into a binary choice between socialism and fascism, they historically do lean right. But that’s because leftists have failed and continuously fail to make socialism a viable option for them. Instead of winning them over, ultra-leftists alienate them with purity tests and outright hostility. And then, when the left remains weak and ineffective, they blame liberals for siding with the right. It’s self-sabotage.

So how about not purity-testing everyone and recognize that politics is about coalitions, not ideological perfection?

Don’t worry about it. You were pretty respectful compared to some others i conversed with

What can i say🤷

I guess so, if there were to be a socialist revolution right now, I’d probably be in support, but it doesn’t mean I’d think it was necessary. I’m a progressive and i don’t necessarily oppose radical overhaul, i just think reform is satisfactory.

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This stuff again about “true-left” and what not. Framing all liberals as part of the problem ignores the bigger picture. I agree that liberals have often been weak in confronting fascism, and some have even enabled it, but they’re not monolithic. Many liberal voters are just politically disengaged or confused about what’s happening. If you just write them off as enemies, you’re pushing them closer to reactionaries rather than pulling them toward the left. Anybody that opposes “right-wingism” is good enough of a leftist to me. The real question is how do we win them over instead of letting the right absorb them?

“progressive” liberals are people who are moved by injustice more than by defending private property.

I completely agree with your categorization of progressive liberals which is why i said the progressive movement doesn’t strike me as caring too much about private property. Except if it means more people gain rights like you said.

This is a myopic analysis of why the fascists are in power. The left as a whole is responsible for pushing the fascists to power because of their inability to settle on a common agenda. Some leftists are more concerned with social justice, some with the worries of the working class and some with capitalism entirely.

This blaming of one particular ideological group for why the right were able to usurp power is part of the problem. Looking for who to blame instead of looking for a solution that all leftists can agree on.

Note: When i refer to the left, I’m talking about liberals, progressives, social democrats and the far left ideologies.

How are liberals rewriting history if i may ask?